Atheist – Secular Humanist, why not simply employ “naturalism” and prove the absence of a Creator and let’s rid ourselves of “religion” and the much-despised Christianity and the Church?
Commonsense, void a crippling obsession with satiating one’s penis or vulva in aberrant pleasure, tells us that the supernatural Universe which encompasses us, permeates us, 24/7/365 possesses the divine earmarks of “design” and purpose – and – commonsense uninterrupted by the proclivities of self-righteousness, arrogance, hedonism, narcissism e.g., atheism/secular humanism tells us that this unfathomable “design” must be under girded by an omnipotent Designer who is most probably existing outside the constraints of Time and physics; therefore, commonsense tells us that if a Designer exists and the complexity of that design (the human genome for example) most likely emanates from a supernatural design that said Designer would be remiss if He, She, It, They, did not reveal them self, themselves, to those “created” and in conjunction with that revelation provide logical reasoning for having created the supernatural “creation” that engulfs us 24/7/365.
If one is honest and they perform a diligent search for that “Creator” there exists only ONE-SOURCE where a Creator has not only identified “Himself” but He has also thoroughly explained the who, what, where, when, why, concerning His creation; that source, the “Canon of Scripture.” In fact, our Creator has told the atheist, the secular humanist, the unbeliever, that He exists and that their denial of His existence is foolish (Psalms 14:1) because He has clearly revealed Himself through what He has made in nature and placed before our eyes (Romans 1:20), a supernatural creation which cannot be duplicated by created beings constrained by Time and physics; furthermore, our Creator has entered the Realm of Time and walked among us for 33.5-years in the form of a man named Messiah Jesus and He has clearly proclaimed that Elohim is One, our Creator, and that anyone seeking peace and intimacy with Him must enter that relationship through “faith” in the Son, Jesus our Messiah who died for them as Messiah Jesus defeated the works of Satan at Golgotha (John 3; 1 John 3:8b)…our Creator exists.
If the atheist is so sure that our Creator does NOT exist, why not bring forth a valid explanation, causation, reasoning, for what confronts us daily in nature using a naturalistic explanation so that we can rid ourselves of “religion” and the much-despised Christianity and the Church and pursue moral relativism void conscience with uninhibited pleasure?
If our Creator does not exist, why not prove His, Her, Its, absence to a believing-faithful segment of the World so that their desires and efforts to constrain their behavior via conformity to sustainable morality might be proven irrelevant and let’s all pursue moral relativism because “if it feels good, do it;” after all, tomorrow we die and nihilism is our deity and life really means nothing in summation of all things?
Concerning the Anti-Trinity Religionist’ who professes to be a Christian but unfortunately exists in deadly deception…know this…
First of all, Jesus has clearly articulated that Elohim (Genesis 1:1) is One-Deity expressed in Three-distinct Persons identified as Father, Son, Spirit (Matthew 28:19; John 14:6; John 10:28-30) and these Three are coequal concerning all Deific attributes.
Father – Administrator
Son – Creator, Warrior, Messiah, Judge
Holy Spirit – Logistics
Second of all, The Holy Spirit has clearly told you that Jesus is our Creator – Elohim (Genesis 1; John 1; Hebrews 1; Colossians 1).
Third, Jesus has clearly told you that unless you believe He is “I AM” (Exodus 3:14) “you will die in your sin” (John 8:24). The Holy Spirit teaches us that the one who is truly redeemed by faith in Jesus, the one who is truly “born again” by faith in Jesus as their Messiah (John 3) will know and testify that Jesus is Elohim (Genesis 1:1) (God). The one who is truly redeemed by faith will KNOW that Jesus is our Creator and will openly, publicly, testify to same without reservation.
Sincere warning,
Though it is not absolutely essential that one seeking redemption from sin and death in Hell through repentance and faith in Jesus as Messiah also confess that Jesus is Deity, it is a divine truism that the one who HAS BEEN redeemed by faith in Jesus as Messiah has, by New Covenant promise, also received the indwelling Holy Spirit as Guarantor of New Covenant relationship with the Father (Ephesians 1:13-14) and the redeemed in Jesus, by the anointing of the indwelling Holy Spirit, will know and confess that Jesus is our Creator, Elohim.
Therefore, if one professes to know Jesus as Messiah; if one truly believes they are redeemed by faith but they don’t see the necessity for Messiah’s Deity or they openly deny Messiah’s Deity, they are an apostate; they are self-deceived; they are Satan’s representative in the Realm of Time; they do NOT possess the indwelling Holy Spirit nor are they a child of the Father entitled to New Covenant promise of forgiveness through redemption via Messiah’s blood atonement (Hebrews 8:12).
In closing,
The signs that one is truly born again by faith is a changed life seeking righteousness and holiness (2 Corinthians 5:17), the production of divine fruit motivated by the indwelling Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:16-23) and the knowledge and testimony that Jesus is Elohim, our Creator – divine Deity (John 8:24; John 14:8-11; John 10:30).
Those trapped in religion – Torah – Moses – Judaism – Messianic Judaism – Hebrew Roots fanaticism – Legalism, are aghast at the idea of pure grace (unmerited favor) through faith, alone, as the KEY to Elohim’s heart and eternal life via the forgiveness of sin…let me explain and please, hear me out?
A brief history,
The Gospel of Grace, the New Covenant of Peace, as introduced through Messiah was ordained as a divine battle strategy by Elohim “to destroy the works of the Devil” via Messiah’s blood atonement provided at Golgotha outside the gates of the Old City some 2000-years ago and this Gospel was foreordained as the Father’s divine will “before Time began” (2 Timothy 1:8-10).
The Adamic-Noahic generations were ordained as progenitors of the Messiah; unfortunately, these generations defiled themselves with unconscionable compromise, perversion, with the demonic – paganism and nullified their divine ordination and so great was their corruption of the human genome that Elohim destroyed all but eight via water (Genesis 6:5).
Elohim’s 2nd-Attempt,
Elohim began anew with Noah and Noah’s family and through Noah’s son, Shem, Elohim brought forth the Patriarchy of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob (Israel) and through Jacob’s son, Judah, Elohim introduced His Messiah to the World. Please understand that Torah; specifically, details concerning Sinai, Moses, Law, Ordinances, blood sacrifices, Sabbaths, these things were simply a temporary roadmap leading to the Messiah and the Gospel, Torah was NEVER intended to be the destination (Galatians 3:24).
Why Sinai?
Sinai and Moses and Ordinances and Sabbaths were given specifically to Israel’s children in a Covenant of Law for sanctification (a setting apart from paganism) and eschatological purposes. Never were these aspects of Torah to be considered relevant for the Gentile lest said Gentile was seeking refuge in the protective confines of Israel’s theocracy.
Also, understand the reasoning for Elohim’s “giving of the Sinai Law” to Israel as Elohim’s motive relevant to Sinai was a response to His dreadful concerns over a repeat of the failures of the Adamic and Noahic generations and their compromise with the demonic i.e., paganism that thwarted their ordination as progenitors of Messiah; therefore, Sinai’s motives were to detail Israel’s proper protocol with Elohim (1-4) and Israel’s proper protocol sociologically between the Tribes (5-10); these edicts were to be obeyed meticulously as Israel’s children were commanded to be holy as Elohim is Holy (Leviticus 21:8; Exodus 19:6; 1 Peter 1:16); in fact, Israel’s covenant relationship with Elohim was completely based upon National obedience (Deuteronomy 28). This strict obedience through adherence to codified laws was intended to thwart Israel’s compromise with the pagan tribes surrounding them, defiled, sexually perverse, murderous, infanticide, that relentlessly sought Israel’s compromise with the pagan gods of Baal and Molech.
Sinai (codification) v. Spiritual Law,
Sinai and Moses’ related ordinances were but a MERE FRACTION of the comprehensive Spiritual Law that is written upon the human heart, the human genome by Elohim (Romans 2:14-15); in fact, the Spiritual Law has been relevant as an arbiter of free will subsequent the creation of the Angels. Sinai and Moses’ edicts, laws, ordinances, were NOT sufficient to engender righteousness with Elohim (Romans 3:20) but were simply a fragmented codification of the divine, infinitely superior, Spiritual Law that governed the conduct of and condemned the Adamic and Noahic generations of defilement.
Law in the New Covenant,
Also note that the Spiritual Law written upon the human heart by our Creator (Romans 2:14-15) is the very same Law that is applicable in the New Covenant promises (Jeremiah 31; Ezekiel 36; Hebrews 10) as the Spiritual Law written upon the human heart was foreordained to be arbitrated by the indwelling Holy Spirit (Ezekiel 36:27; Ephesians 1:13-14; John 14:6) who mates the redeemed conscience of the faithful in Jesus (2 Corinthians 5:17) with the enlivened Spiritual Law as written upon the heart; this catalyst as employed by the indwelling Spirit forms the New Man in Messiah and consequently produces divine “fruit” through the redeemed in Jesus, fruit that fulfills ALL LAW and glorifies the Father (Galatians 5:16-23; John 15:8).
Christians are therefore NOT under Torah-Sinai-Moses (Romans 6:14) but Christians are under the “Law of the Spirit of Life” (Romans 8:2; Romans 7:6); in fact, a Christian who knows their position and responsibility toward the Father in the New Covenant does not go about their day consciously thinking about obedience to Torah, Sinai, Moses, Days, Diets, Clothing-Fabrics, Sabbaths, but they are intently tuned to the Spirit’s leadership in every aspect of their daily life and with the Spirit as one’s Teacher and Arbitrator, THERE IS PEACE with the Father via a good conscience (Romans 5:1).
The New Covenant is Unique,
The New Covenant is NEW, it is NOT a reiteration of the Old Covenant’s Law System (New wine in new wine skins); the New Covenant is NOT about keeping Sinai or Moses or Days or Ordinances or Diets but the New Covenant ordained “before Time began” via the Gospel (2 Timothy 1:8-10) is about divine PEACE with the Father through faith in the Son, Jesus Christ, who provided humanity blood atonement that is acceptable by the Father which results in the New Covenant promise of absolution, forgiveness, for our sin by divine grace through faith in Jesus (Hebrews 8:12).
Enslavement to Law, Judaism, Hebrew Roots, Religion,
You are free to enslave yourself to religious works and days and diets and ordinances and Torah and Judaism and Messianic Judaism and Hebrew Roots fanaticism as long as you understand that your only Path to life and forgiveness of sin and Covenant relationship with Elohim is by faith in Jesus our Messiah trusting fully in Him as completely sufficient to redeem you and present you acceptable to the Father via the gifting, the imputation, of HIS righteousness over your life earned for us via Messiah’s blood atonement at Golgotha (John 14:6; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
Jesus and Commandments,
Jesus said, “If you love me you will keep my Commandments” (John 14:15-31) and Jesus’ Commandments are that we love Elohim above all else and that we love our neighbor as our self (Matthew 22:36-40) and this is why the Holy Spirit places “love” at the very top of His list of divine “fruit” that is manifest through the daily life of the redeemed in Jesus (Galatians 5:22-23); therefore, if one truly desires to honor Jesus’ commands, they must first be “born again” by faith in Jesus as Messiah (John 3) and subsequently “walk by the Spirit” (Galatians 5:16) allowing the Spirit to produce fruit through them that fulfills ALL LAW.
The “law of sin and death” i.e., Torah-Sinai (Romans 8:2) could NEVER accomplish what the Spirit accomplishes in the life of the redeemed in Jesus as the “law of sin and death” was weakened by the Adamic sin-nature (Romans 5:12) and there was no indwelling Holy Spirit within the individual during the Law Covenant to arbitrate that sin-nature ingrained in the human genome.
In closing,
Therefore, if you desire intimate relationship with the Father, you must first “believe” in the Son, Jesus, your Messiah who died for you (John 3); then, receive the promised indwelling Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14) and walk by the Spirit in daily Christian sanctification as He prepares you for service in the New Jerusalem (Galatians 5:16). There is no other Way (John 14:6)!
How were people in the Old Testament saved from death in Hell?
Discussion,
All of humanity, from Adam to this very day, were and are saved by “faith,” alone (Hebrews 11). Faith internalized; that is, “believing” Elohim is the One true Creator and that Elohim is faithful to do all that He has promised.
It is written,
What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Romans 4:1-3 (Genesis 15:6)
Why was Messiah Jesus necessary?
Jesus’ divine incarnation, the hypostatic union of deity and humanity (Philippians 2:5-11), was essential in order that mandated sinless blood atonement be made manifest for the purification of sin (Leviticus 17:11; Hebrews 10; Matthew 26:28) thereby permitting access to the Kingdom subsequent death of the body in Time (2 Corinthians 5:8); that is, “nothing impure” will ever enter the Kingdom (Rev 21:27); therefore, those who perished in death of the body prior to Messiah’s sacrificial blood atonement, these Old Testament saints, having died in faith, awaited Messiah’s atoning sacrifice for the purification of sin while detained in Sheol-Paradise (Luke 16; Psalm 16:10). Subsequent Messiah’s blood sacrifice, these Old Testament saints were escorted out of Sheol-Paradise into the Kingdom (Ephesians 4:7-10; Luke 23:43).
Faith (noun) has always been the KEY to Elohim’s heart and personal intimacy, righteousness, with Him; this, relevant to all Old Testament and New Testament men and women having attained an age of accountability. Jesus is the divine “Door” (John 10:9-16) to the Kingdom for all who “believe” by “faith” that He, alone, is Messiah who died for the sins of the whole World (John 1:29; 1 Peter 1:18-19; 1 John 2:1-2).
It has been said that there exists some 1050 New Testament Commandments – what is the Christian to do concerning obedience that pleases Elohim?
Discussion,
Christians do NOT chase after letters whether those letters are etched in stone, scratched upon parchment or codified in the Old Covenant or the New Covenant…Christians don’t chase letters because the letter kills but the Spirit gives life; that is, Christians walk daily by the indwelling Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:16; John 14:26) and it is He, alone, who enlivens the “spiritual law” written upon the human heart and mates that enlivened spiritual law with the redeemed conscience, the “new creation” (2 Corinthians 5:17), and this mating of spiritual law – the redeemed conscience forms a divine catalyst whereby the Spirit produces divine “fruit” (Galatians 5:16-23) through the redeemed in Jesus and this divine fruit fulfills every moral law whether they be codified or spiritual (Galatians 5:23); in fact, you cannot remember all that Jesus taught sufficiently to apply same when confronted with the myriad of moral decisions encounter daily; this work of the Holy Spirit through the redeemed is the ONLY way a man or woman pleases the Father through daily sanctification via obedience to the Holy Spirit, an anointing, divine work, of the Spirit, the Spirit’s work through you that prepares the Father’s children for service in the New Jerusalem. If you were capable of keeping letters sufficiently to please the Father, Jesus died needlessly (Galatians 2:21). It is the Spirit who is glorified through our obedience to His guidance and leadership.
Liberal v. Conservative; Left v. Right; Democrat v. Republican; Satan v. Jesus; Evil v. Good…nothing has changed down through history…
Discussion,
Conservatives – Christians clamor and fret and worry over our fallen World and the Nation of America that is leading the way to Hell yet we fail to understand that all we see is nothing more than a modernized reiteration of what has manifest in response to an angelic coup d’etat initiated by a rebellious, anointed, cherub angel, a coup d’etat waged against Elohim that is foundational to the creation of matter, Time, physics, the human genome, the Heavens and this temporary Earth as a temporary repository for that angelic coup.
America’s Democrat – Progressive Party is NOTHING new or novel within the Realm of Time as these people are the demonic seed of the Adamic and Noahic generations that were annihilated by water save eight…same people, same servitude to the pagan god of Molech (child sacrifice – abortion) and Baal (sexual immorality identified in this current generation as LGBTQAI++).
Nothing new or novel to see here people…just a hoard of demons and the demonically possessed having methodically infused America’s posterity with their wickedness and vileness celebrated as “freedom” via atheism and secular humanism and abortion and sexual perversion.
America’s enemies are the Party of Darkness i.e. Progressive-Democrats-Marxists and their attributes are insolence, rebellion, arrogance, ignorance and moral defilement and they will proliferate, procreate, until that Day; therefore, as America dies in Hell do not be dismayed, those who belong to Messiah Jesus are not yet HOME (Hebrews 13:14-16).
“O you who love the LORD, hate evil! He preserves the lives of his saints; he delivers them from the hand of the wicked.” Psalm 97:10 (ESV)
Elohim’s sovereignty; Elohim’s perfect eschatological will for Time & Eternity and your “free will.” Contradiction or Divine Omnipotence?
Discussion,
Elohim’s divine will and perfect sovereignty references His eschatological plan for Time, Eternity i.e., the destruction of Satan’s works via Messiah (1 John 3:8b), but the free will of humanity is also relevant by necessity concerning authentic intimacy with Elohim; therefore, Elohim allows His created beings, both angelic and human, to “choose” their path and whom they will serve; mankind, constrained by Time and physics in a body of decaying flesh chooses daily servitude to Jesus or servitude to Satan; it is through Elohim’s omnipotence that He works through and around your free will decisions, your daily choices, to accomplish His perfect eschatological will.
Elohim’s eschatological plan for Time and Eternity; that is, the restoration of holiness and peace to His Kingdom usurped by an anointed rebellious Cherub, will NOT be stymied by the unfaithfulness of Human Kind but Elohim methodically works His perfect will through those possessing a heart that desires intimacy with Him.
If one desires to honor all LAW…they must first comply with the Father’s will by “believing in the One He has sent into the World” to provide humanity atonement for sin (John 6:29) and then receive the indwelling Holy Spirit (Ephesians 1:13-14) as Guarantor of New Covenant promise, the Holy Spirit who enlivens the spiritual law written upon the human heart and the Spirit produces divine fruit through them during daily Christian sanctification that honors and complies with all LAW, both spiritual and codified (Galatians 5:16-23).
The New Covenant is NOT about Torah Law or Sinai or Moses or Days or Diets (Galatians 2:16; Romans 6:14; 2 Corinthians 3)….the New Covenant is about intimate relationship with Elohim through faith in the Son, Jesus our Messiah, and sanctification through the Spirit via the production of divine fruit (Galatians 5:16).
What did Jesus mean when He said: “Heaven and Earth shall pass away but my words shall never pass away”? Matthew 24:35
Discussion,
Heaven and Earth will pass away, they are temporary (2 Peter 3:7; Rev 21:1) but Elohim’s words, His spiritual law, has been relevant as an arbiter of free will subsequent the creation of the angels; therefore, Elohim’s words will NEVER pass away (Matthew 24:35) as Jesus is the divine Logos, Word of Elohim, Eternal (John 1) and free will remains extant in Eternity by necessity.
The Sinai Commandments, the codified law – Torah Law, were eschatological in motive and temporary in nature. Sinai was given Moses and Israel’s children due Elohim’s concerns relevant to a repeat of the failures likened to that of the Adamic and Noahic generations; two generations of wicked defilement, a demonically possessed people who thwarted their ordination as progenitors of the Messiah due their compromise with demonic paganism (Genesis 6:5); consequently, Elohim provided Israel’s children a codified edition of His spiritual law, a fragmented portion of the spiritual law etched in stone, scratched upon parchment, as divine instructions as to how Israel was to be holy as He is Holy (Exodus 19:6) and how Israel would shun the enticements of the pagan tribes around them who relentlessly sought Israel’s compromise with the pagan gods; namely, Baal and Molech (Exodus 20:3-5); a demonic compromise that would have also thwarted Israel’s ordination as progenitors of the Messiah as promised through Abraham (Genesis 12:3b).
Sinai was given specifically to Israel’s children and those who sought refuge in that theocracy under LAW. Sinai and Moses have passed…their intent is fulfilled in Messiah and Messiah’s defeat of Satan’s works at Golgotha via a Gospel that was ordained “before Time began” (1 John 3:8b; 2 Timothy 1:8-10); therefore, anyone who belongs to the Father via faith in the Son is NOT under Law but under Grace (Romans 6:14) and the Holy Spirit is the Christian’s “divine Law” through daily sanctification via “fruits of the Spirit” produced through the anointing of the Spirit’s work through the redeemed servants of Messiah (Galatians 5:16-23); in this, the Father is glorified (John 15:8).
Did Elohim foreordain – predestine the Atheist to reject Him in Jesus Christ?
Romans 8:29: For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.”
Christian Response…
Romans 8:29 tells you that Elohim foreknew you and predestined you to conform to the image of Jesus Christ via the imputation by faith but you chose to conform to the image of Elohim’s nemesis, Satan.
Consider this as it is most relevant, a case in point…
Elohim also foreknew and foreordained Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, as the Patriarchy of a people Elohim called “the apple of my eye” (Zechariah 2:8) and Elohim lavished them with His covenants and provisions and protection and sustenance as they were to be the progenitors of His Messiah through Judah; Messiah Yeshua came directly, specifically, to Israel’s children (Matthew 15:24) to proselytize them in the New Covenant’s Gospel and prepare them as ministers of the Gospel to the entire World via the Great Commission; this, in fulfillment of Elohim’s promise to Abraham (Genesis 12:3b); unfortunately, Israel’s children (like you and other atheists in this forum) rejected their Messiah; Israel’s children rejected the New Covenant and the Gospel; Israel’s children via free will rejected their ordination as ministers of the Great Commission; Israel’s children conspired with Rome to murder their Messiah upon a tree while exclaiming that Messiah’s blood be upon them and their children (Matthew 27:25); therefore, Elohim in Jesus was broken and crushed due their rejection (Matthew 23:37) and ultimately the Gospel and the Great Commission were taken from Israel and given to the Gentile; this, until the fullness of the Gentiles have entered the Kingdom (Romans 11:25; Acts 13:46) and Israel has subsequently, consequently, been placed under judgment and only a “remnant” of Israel’s children will escape the “second death” in Hell due their unbelief and their blindness (Isaiah 10:22; Romans 9:27); therefore, even though Elohim poured Himself and His divine codified laws and covenants into Israel’s children, it was their rejection, their unbelief, their stubbornness, that overrode Elohim’s divine will and ordination of Israel’s children…you are no different…you have been given Jesus as Mediator for your sin by faith yet you err in wisdom and judgment and discernment exactly like Israel’s children, to this very day.
