Objective Morality – Darwin v. Creator, Yeshua-Jesus Christ (Comparison-Contrast)

Much discussion as of late among the atheist persuasion concerning the origin of objective morality; Mankind is confronted with two-options for consideration,

1) Darwin’s premise of evolving genomic intricacy and causal deterministic morality.

2) The infusion of objective morality in the inner-man (spirit) at conception by our Creator, Jesus Christ-Yeshua.

Part 1

Darwin’s Premise

Evolutionary Theory, a most potent progenitor of Atheism, suggests that the yet undefined beginnings of DNA-Life (abiogenesis/descent with modification-common ancestor) methodically evolved through increasing genomic intricacy via mutation and over millions-or-billions-of-years a creature possessing physiological – psychological sentientism manifest displaying emotion, wisdom, discernment, equating to self-awareness while pursuing a causal deterministic morality.

Competition for survival among these superior sentient beings created dissension; the struggle for sustenance (survival of the fittest) manifest in destructive behaviors that threatened survival of the species; therefore, a basic understanding of morality mandating behaviors that profited the entirety of the group evolved by trial and error (survival of the most moral); hence, the naturalistic foundation of Natural Law setting forth restrictions on behaviors that warred against the sustainability, general welfare, of the group/a society.

The primordial fly-in-the-ointment for naturalistic origin of morality is the predisposition of mankind to relativize morality as a result of an innate sense of selfishness, lust, greed, accompanied by a desire for dominance under girded by narcissistic pride/arrogance. By what mechanism can the inner-being/behavior of Nature’s most intelligent beings be controlled so that life can attain some measure of meaning and purpose in conjunction with sustainability?

Unfortunately, negative reinforcement does not provide lasting deterrence and a society governed solely by self-determinism, moral relativism, suffers moral decay/moral rot and many have ceased to exist for this reason; therefore, Darwin’s naturalistic approach to morality does not provide a form of objective morality that is conducive to sustainability of the human species over time.

Darwin’s failures

1) Darwin’s premise fails to explain why self-destructive behaviors are manifest in a sentient being that is, according to Evolutionary Theory, evolving into a creature of ever-increasing complexity and physiological-psychological-moral perfection.

2) Darwin’s premise fails to provide an achievable, practical, applicable, deterrence to self-destructive behavior in the human species; behaviors manifesting in immoral, unnatural, conduct that negates procreation, sustainability of the species through same-sex attraction and same-sex intercourse; Darwin’s premise ultimately manifests in the destruction of the Biblical family unit – the bedrock of societal sustainability.

3) Darwin’s naturalistic perspective concerning objective morality fails to address the perplexing problem of “diminishing returns” relevant to the lust of the flesh, the pursuit of sensuality, that can never attain a plateau of consistent-lasting satisfaction/contentment but inevitably mandates ever-increasing forms of sexual debauchery in the realm of sexual immorality or ever-increasing amounts of substance abuse to placate an insatiable fleshly appetite for pleasure and sensuality. The inevitable resultant of naturalistic moral “diminishing returns” is physiological-psychological addiction/dependence and far too often, death of the body.

Part 2

God’s Objective Morality as defined in “The Beginning”

God the Holy Spirit articulates, in various parts of His written Covenant with mankind (the Scriptures), that objective morality is written upon the heart of mankind at conception as it was in the creation of Adam, the first man.

It is written…

“…in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them,” Romans 2:15 (NASB)

Evidence relevant to infused morality?

The evidence of God’s infused morality within mankind is demonstrated by the thoughts and actions of the first man and first woman immediately subsequent to their rebellion to our Creator’s edict prohibiting compromise with evil.

In the following Scripture, note the manifestation of fear, shame, deceit, obfuscation, all defining and substantiating the presence of objective morality in both Adam and Eve.

“Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings. [shame]

They heard the sound of the Lord God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord God among the trees of the garden. [fear; shame] Then the Lord God called to the man, and said to him, “Where are you?” He said, “I heard the sound of You in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid myself.” [fear; shame] And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?” The man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate.” [obfuscation; pride; denial of culpability] Then the Lord God said to the woman, “What is this you have done?” And the woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.” [pride; obfuscation; denial of culpability]

Why has God infused morality within mankind?

Apparently, our Creator has at least two-primary reasons for infusing morality into the inner-man of Human KIND.

1) Protection of Human Kind through objective moral standards ensuring the sustainability of the species by thwarting destructive behaviors.

2) Objective morality infused at conception is necessary for judgment in Eternity to manifest with equity and due process.

The atheist will be quick to point out that “religion” is not a source of morality and that man can pursue morality apart from religion or a god. The atheist will also point to the Holy Bible and scoff at the concept of the Scriptures as a guide to morality. I partially agree with the atheist relevant to this premise.

The Holy Bible is NOT simply a Book of morality and the Holy Spirit did not construct same with such a singular purpose in mind. The Holy Bible is also a written Covenant of Grace between God and mankind as established by grace through faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and said Covenant is sealed/guaranteed by the indwelling Holy Spirit of Promise (Ephesians 1:13). Morality cannot be internalized via a book. Basic objective morality is infused into the inner-man (spirit) of every human being at conception by God.

For clarification, the Bible does articulate moral objectives, standards and behaviors that God defines as acceptable and unacceptable but it is only through the power and guidance of the indwelling Holy Spirit that mankind finds the strength and wisdom to actually live a life that is morally and ethically pleasing to God (Galatians 5:16; Psalm 119:9-16).

Mankind is without excuse

From the most remote Aborigine to the urbanized city-dweller in America, if neither read a single Scripture from the Holy Bible in their lifetime, they are both equally culpable for iniquity/sin/disobedience before our Holy and Just Creator in this life constrained by Time and at Judgment in Eternity. That culpability manifests equally throughout God’s human creation beginning with The Genesis concerning the first-man, Adam, because our Creator has infused His objective moral law into our inner-man; therefore, we are all culpable before God irrespective of our education, our socialization, our beliefs, our loyalties.

The only exemptions from culpability for sin are granted to children who have not attained an age of reason/accountability sufficient to discern good from evil, moral from immorality and the mentally handicap individual incapable of moral judgment (Matthew 19:14). Without conscious awareness of God’s moral law written upon our heart, there is no sin; therefore, children and the mentally handicapped are secure in God’s righteousness, fairness, justice and compassion (Romans 4:15; Romans 5:12-14).

As an aside, understand that every man and woman having attained an age of reason is aware of God’s moral law and they are also aware of God’s reality and His validity in both Time and Eternity; therefore, if anyone rejects God’s authority and His reality they will be “without excuse” at their Judgment in Eternity (Romans 1:18-32).

“Indeed, there is not a righteous man on earth who continually does good and who never sins.” Ecclesiastes 7:20

“…for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,” Romans 3:23 (NASB)

As a result of our first Earthly father, Adam, and his rebellion to – rejection of God’s Covenant of provision and sustenance, all of mankind has inherited a sin-nature through Adam’s seed and we are all therefore guilty before God in accordance with His standard of perfection as written upon our heart via the objective-divine-natural moral law.

If not for the restraining power of the Holy Spirit over this fallen-World and mankind’s sinful-nature, mankind would implode in self-destructive behavior much like the generation of Noah (Genesis 6:5-8).

“For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.” 1 Corinthians 15:22 (NASB)

“For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains will do so until he is taken out of the way.” 2 Thessalonians 2:7 (NASB)

Conclusion: Comparison-Contrast

Darwin’s naturalistic perspective relevant to objective morality has proven itself to be wholly inadequate as a restrainer of destructive behaviors as well as a contradiction to the theory of evolution. Darwin offers zero-answers and zero-solutions to self-destructive immorality and the ever-present problem of “diminishing returns” concerning the addictive nature of sensuality/lust/the pursuit of pleasure.

The Holy Spirit of God, Who was present at Creation, demonstrates that God the Father infuses the natural law, objective morality within the inner-man (spirit of man) so that Judgment in Eternity will manifest in equity with due process. We see that God has also infused objective morality into the inner-man as a bulwark thwarting destructive behaviors that would otherwise negate the sustainability of Human KIND.

God the Father has also outlined a Covenant by which He provides mankind a pathway leading to obedience to the moral law by grace through faith in Jesus Christ; a Covenant of the New Birth that constrains the sin-nature of mankind through the process of Sanctification; Sanctification being a process whereby the inner-man is incrementally transformed into a new-man/new-woman through the guidance and strength of the indwelling Holy Spirit.

It is the indwelling Holy Spirit received upon one’s faith/belief in Jesus Christ as Lord that teaches the redeemed individual that pursuit of Worldly lust/immorality is futile while the Sanctification process initiated by faith in Christ ultimately leads to Divine “contentment” which leads to Divine “joy” which culminates in everlasting “peace.”

When Divine contentment controls the inner-man, the fallen-nature, though it remains a formidable foe, is tempered and controllable through obedience to the Holy Spirit and it is through the Holy Spirit that the “Fruits of the Spirit” are manifest in one’s life.

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)

As for me and my household, we will trust in Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit as our Moral Authority and Law Giver while rejecting Darwin’s failures as deceptive and impotent thereby culminating in death of the body in sin and death of the body and soul in Hell in futility (Revelation 20:11-15; Matthew 10:28).

“See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.” Colossians 2:8 (NASB)

There is much more to be said concerning the issuance of God’s Ten-Commandments and the 613-Levitical Laws given to the Children of Israel as well as the issuance of Jesus’ Two-Greatest Commandments and their purpose relevant to the objective moral law written upon our heart and the working of the Holy Spirit in the dispensation of The Law v. the dispensation of Grace; unfortunately, this FB format and mandated brevity prevents such a discussion.

Rickey D. Holtsclaw

Atheist claims the Christian God lacks evidence and is invented by man. Let’s discuss that…

Atheist, Mark D, stated: “Atheists say that man invented God, and Christians say that God created man. Atheists have a mountain of evidence for their position, because we know thousands of gods have been worshiped in the past. We also know that the Jews worshiped Baal before they worshiped Yahweh, their current deity, and the one adopted by Christians. Both gods were, of course, invented. Christians, on the other hand, don’t have a shred of evidence to support their claim that God created man. The creation myth in Genesis is not evidence! Given the two positions, which do you think is more likely? Is it the one that has a mountain of evidence supporting it, or is it the one that has no evidence whatsoever?”

Response to the atheist…

Atheists have nothing of substance supporting their demonic ideology of nihilism/naturalism/death but the idiocy and deception of Darwin and their own spiritual ignorance as they grovel through this life in Time in foolishness and hopelessness. Anyone following Mark and his ideology of death, I urge you, turn away from his servitude to Satan lest you die in your sin and suffer a similar fate as Mark and his god, Satan, in Eternity.

Evidence for the Christian God?

The “evidence” for our Creator is extant and empirical but the atheist lacks the spiritual awareness to see this evidence because their god, Satan, has blinded their mind as they exist daily to serve Satan, unaware.

It is written concerning the Atheist…

“in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.” 2 Corinthians 4:4 (NASB)

Evidence concerning our Creator…

1) Our Creator has provided extant, preliminary evidence relevant to His reality and validity via what He has made in Nature; therefore, the atheist will be “without excuse” at their Judgment in Eternity before losing both their resurrected body and soul in Hell. (Romans 1:18-32)

Mankind nor his science can explain origin of matter; the Universe; the complex human genome; science and the idiocy of evolution fail to explain these supernatural evidences of design and a necessitated Designer; these supernatural forms of evidence will testify against the foolishness of atheism and Darwinism and the rebellious atheist at the Judgment of the Condemned in Eternity! (Revelation 20:11-15)

2) Our Creator left Eternity some 2019-yrs ago and entered Time through the seed of the woman; He walked among us in the flesh for 33.5-years defining God to everyone who would receive His Gospel (Philippians 2:5-11). No honest historian can deny the reality of Jesus Christ-Yeshua and His irrefutable impact on history and the personal lives of billions-of-people saved by grace through faith subsequent to His resurrection from the dead.

3) Our Creator has provided His human creation with a written “Covenant of Law” and a written “Covenant of Grace” authored by the Holy Spirit explaining origin-meaning-morality-destiny and the Spirit supported these subjects with irrefutable Truth that is under girded by logical consistency, empirical adequacy, experiential relevance; therefore, anyone who rejects this Covenant as articulated within the Holy Bible will die in their sin and die a second death in Hell for rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and Mediator for that sin (John 8:24). This “second death” in Hell will be necessary because unrepentant sin will NOT be permitted to enter God’s Kingdom subsequent to death of the body constrained by Time (Revelation 21:27).

Evidence is certainly NOT lacking…

Therefore, it’s NOT that evidence for our Creator’s reality is absent, it’s the Truth that the atheist rejects the extant evidence for our Creator because they love their sin, their sexual immorality, their antisocial conduct, their narcissism and moral relativism, more than Truth and life itself.

Unfortunately, the atheist is too proud, too blinded by Satan, too deceived by narcissistic aberrant lust, to humble them self and find life in Jesus Christ as Lord. May God have mercy on their souls! (2 Corinthians 4:4)

Atheist is confused by the absolution from sin offered by God the Father via grace through faith in Jesus Christ at the Crucifixion. Please permit me to explain with as much brevity as possible…

Atheist, Mark L., stated: “maby [maybe] jesus [Jesus] died for your sins but that doesn’t mean you’re not guilty.”

Response to the atheist…

In the eyes of God the Father (speaking metaphorically because God is a Spirit, John 4:24), Jesus took my sin and my guilt upon Himself and through the shedding of His innocent blood at the Crucifixion (2 Corinthians 5:21), Jesus and God the Father cast my sin, my culpability, my guilt, into the sea of forgetfulness to be remembered no more forever (Micah 7:19; Hebrews 8:12); now, when God the Father sees me, He sees only the righteousness, the perfection of His dear Son, Jesus Christ, Who suffered and died so that I could receive His righteousness, His perfection, over my life by imputation (not by my effort/work but by God’s grace – unmerited favor) through propitiation (Jesus as my substitute for payment of sin) (John 3:16).

It is the total absolution from the stain of sin that permits me access to God’s Kingdom subsequent to death of the body (2 Corinthians 5:8); without same, nothing impure will be permitted to enter the Kingdom of God (Revelation 21:27). Mankind, who has rejected the pardon freely offered by God the Father by grace through faith in the Son, Jesus Christ, will tragically die a “second death” in Hell for this very reason, their unrepentant, unforgiven, destructive, sin will bar them from God’s Kingdom in Eternity (Revelation 20:14); therefore, they will lose both body and soul in Hell forever (Matthew 10:28).

Therefore, it matters not what the World/people think or judge concerning my guilt or my culpability by some Earthly subjective standard (1 John 2:15-17), but ONLY what God the Father thinks and knows; My God has chosen to forgive and forget my culpability, my sin, because I have trusted in His Son’s perfect righteousness to absolve my unrighteousness in Eternity.

Atheist laughs at the concept of Hell and suggests it’s “just made up.” Let’s discuss that…

Atheist, Paul L., stated: (Long OP edited for length) “The idea of eternal torment in a fiery hell is one of the most destructive ideas in history. Step back from the way culture has conditioned us to accept this horrid fantasy, and think about what it says about anyone who is willing to accept the idea. I accepted it, until early adulthood, and my willingness to accept that idea did lasting damage to my capacity for empathy. One of the excuses I get from some Christians is when they say that God doesn’t send anyone to hell, people choose it. The old story about a vengeful god casting his children into a lake of fire that would burn them in torment forever didn’t work, so they made up yet another story that not only isn’t in The Bible – it contradicts The Bible. When are Christians going to admit that all of this stuff is just made up?”

Reply to the atheist…

Jesus said…

“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.” Matthew 10:28

The Truth is, Hell was not created for mankind but for Lucifer; mankind will enter Hell subsequent to the Judgment of the Condemned (Revelation 20:11-15) by first climbing directly over the Cross of Jesus Christ (John 14:6).

God the Father has given His all through the Son, Jesus Christ, who died to provide mankind a pardon from death in sin and death in Hell by grace (unmerited favor) through faith (believing-trusting) in Jesus Christ as Lord and Mediator for our sin (John 3:16).

God the Father watched His Son suffer and suffocate to death on a Roman Cross to pay for the sins of mankind; therefore, I fully sympathize and concur with God’s anger and inevitable wrath toward the insanity and arrogance of atheism and the atheist that will appear before Him in Judgment (Ecclesiastes 12:14; Romans 14:11).

It is one thing for a man or woman to exist in unbelief and keep their mouth shut to avoid offending that which they do not know, but it’s entirely another thing to actively war against God and blaspheme Jesus Christ and His suffering; for this, there is a special wrath awaiting the arrogant, vulgar, obscene, spiritually dead, atheist who serves Satan by default (Luke 17:1)

Is Hell everlasting torment for mankind?

Hell, for mankind, is not a place of everlasting torment but a place where the sins of unredeemed man will be fairly punished commensurate with the deeds done in the body, then the body and soul of the condemned will die a “second death” and cease to exist forever (Revelation 20:14; Matthew 10:28). Only the Devil, the False Prophet and The Beast (possibly the fallen-angels – demons) will suffer forever-Eternally in Hell (Revelation 20:10).

Why is Hell necessary?

The death of unredeemed mankind in Hell is necessary because God the Father will NOT permit the destructiveness of sin, the unrepentant sin of man, to enter and dwell within His Kingdom (Revelation 21:27). If sin could dwell within God’s Kingdom and in His presence, then Lucifer would not have been extricated from the Kingdom and placed upon the Earth and Jesus would not have needed to suffer and die to pay mankind’s sin-debt (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Hades-Sheol/Torments then Hell

In closing, remember, mankind that has rejected Jesus Christ as Lord does NOT enter Hell immediately subsequent to death of the body but they enter the region Jesus refers to as Hades-Sheol/Torments (Luke 16) where they will suffer in agony awaiting the Great White Throne Judgment that will manifest subsequent to the Millennial Reign of Messiah-Jesus (Revelation 20:11-15).

Why is the Atheist deserving of Hell?

The atheist mocks God’s judgment calling Him arbitrary and unfair in their vulgar and obscene nature, but if you mocked the death of my precious son that I had given you for your redemption and to save your life from certain death, I too would be angry and vindictive toward your rebellion and unappreciative insanity in your mockery, vulgarity, obscenity, hate, via the facade of atheism. The atheist will reap what they sow in Hell and I don’t blame my Lord; not one little bit.

Jesus said…

“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.” Matthew 5:6 (NASB)

God’s Love/the Atheist – Free Will – Satan – the Holocaust – Eschatology – A Study…

Premise: An Atheist, in a discussion relevant to God’s love, mocked my position of demonstrating God’s love through Jesus Christ and His sacrifice at the Crucifixion by claiming the Jewish Holocaust was the antithesis of love. Let’s discuss that…

Atheist, Steve J., stated in jest: “god’s love was a great comfort to the victims of the holocaust…”

Response to the atheist…

God the Father does not prevent man’s free will from manifesting in Time but God permits each of us to make personal decisions concerning our loyalties and affections relevant to our future and our eternal destiny. Free will is essential for God’s relationship with both His angelic and human creation; void free will, relationship cannot manifest in purity and authenticity.

God, in His infinite wisdom and omniscience, strategically moves through and around our personal decisions to ultimately accomplish His immutable will and Plan for Time and Eternity. With that said, God has allowed certain men possessing certain personal attributes, psychological characteristics, to rise to positions of authority and power in order that those personal psychological predispositions would manifest in ways that furthered God’s immutable Plan for Time and Eternity. Hitler is one such personality.

God used the evil of Hitler, Hitler’s ally, Islam, and Hitler’s god, Satan-Allah, to accomplish a very significant eschatological event that restarted God’s eschatological time-clock since having been temporarily halted with the Ascension of Messiah and the decimation of Jerusalem by Titus and the 10th-Roman Legion in 70AD. For almost 2000-years, Eschatologists pondered, wondered, how the prophecies of the Day of the Lord i.e. the Tribulation-Apocalypse period and the subsequent Millennial Reign of Messiah-Yeshua could manifest seeing that the Nation of Israel had ceased to exist.

Supernaturally, the reestablishment of Israel’s Nationhood in 1948 was a direct response to the “Never Again” movement of the Jewish People in direct response to the Jewish Holocaust; the Jewish people demanded their own homeland which was granted them and thereby fulfilled Ezekiel’s “regathering prophecy” (Ezekiel 34:13). Today, fruition of this prophecy continues to manifest as the Nation of Israel welcomes Israel’s children from the 12-Tribes to their ancient homeland; this, as Messiah-Yeshua prepares to bring an end to the “Age of Grace” and initiate His Millennial Reign upon the Earth which will be headquartered in Jerusalem, Israel.

God the Father turned demonic horror and the unconscionable tragedy of Hitler’s/Satan’s torture – mutilation of 6-million-Jews into wondrous prophecy-fulfillment in 1948 and later with the capture of Jerusalem by the Jews from the Arab Nations in the Six-Day-War (1967). Today, everything concerning end-time eschatology is falling perfectly into place relevant to Allah AKA Satan-Islam v. Israel-Yeshua-Messiah and the Jewish People; the prophesied nuclear war that will be initiated by Allah-Islam/his allies v. Jerusalem, Israel in the coming days as Iran/Islam and their nuclear capable allies (Russia, China, Arab alliance) position themselves to war against Israel as antisemitism grows exponentially around the World.

Tragically, current events suggest that Progressive Socialism via the Democrat Party i.e. demonic atheism-secularism-moral relativism will eventually and ultimately decimate the Constitutional Republic of the United States, its military, thus making America impotent in “That Day” of our Lord resulting in America’s inability to intervene in Allah’s attempt to destroy Israel. This too is a form of eschatological fulfillment in that in Her impending demise, Israel will have no one to turn-to for intervention but the God of Israel, Yeshua, Whom they have rejected as their Messiah for 2000-years. Yeshua will be victorious!

What Satan meant for evil, God turned into victory. MARANATHA LORD!!!

Atheist mocks God’s Love. Let’s discuss that…

Atheist, Mark D, stated: “Christians say that God loves you, but there is no evidence that God’s love has ever helped anyone. Are Christians wrong?”

A Christian response to the atheist…

The epitome of God’s Love was demonstrated at the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ-Yeshua who suffered and died to provide you and to provide me a pardon from death in sin and Hell by grace through faith in Jesus Christ-Yeshua/Messiah – alone.

From the moment our first father, Adam, rejected God’s Covenant of Provision and Sustenance, you and I were without hope and destined to a “second death” in Hell because the sin-nature inherited in our fleshly body from Adam will NOT be permitted to enter the Kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:22; Romans 6:23; Revelation 20:1; Revelation 21:27); but God did not leave us in our hopeless condition but He interceded on our behalf through selfless love and sacrifice (John 3:16).

God left Eternity some 2019-yrs ago and entered Time in the form of a man (Philippians 2:5-11) and walked among us for 33.5-yrs defining God the Father and His Covenant of Grace as per the Gospel (Good News); a Covenant established by the shedding of the innocent blood of Messiah-Yeshua (Hebrews 10:5-7).

God so loved the World that He gave you and He gave me the Son of God, Jesus Christ-Yeshua, so that we could live with Him forever if we will repent of our sin (turn away from our sin), believe sincerely in our heart and confess with our mouth that Jesus Christ is God who died to pay our sin-debt and that He was resurrected for our Justification leading to eternal life (Romans 10:9-10; John 3:16).

Jesus said…

“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends.” John 15:13 (NASB)

The Atheist and LGBTQ – Abortion…the unholy trinity?

An Atheist expresses his consternation at the cult of Mormonism for their stance against gender conversion therapy. Let’s discuss that from a Christian perspective.

A response to Mark as he fervently endeavors to accumulate God’s wrath against him in Judgment…

Mark, first of all, Mormonism is not actually the “Church” as per the Church’ affiliation with Jesus Christ and His Gospel. Mormonism is an extremely large cult aligned with other pagan cults such as Jehovah’s Witnesses and Catholicism. None of these reflect the purity and simplicity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and His sufficiency as Mediator for sin; the Gospel as the Holy Spirit has articulated within the Scriptures.

In fact, Mark, you, as an atheist, have more in common with Mormonism, Jehovah’s Witnesses and Catholicism than Christianity has in common with any of you seeing that anyone who strictly adheres to their cultic doctrines of demons will suffer a similar fate as the demonically-led atheist in Hell; this inevitable horrific fate is the resultant of their rejection of the sufficiency of Jesus Christ – alone – as the Mediator and Propitiation concerning the sins of mankind.

With that said, I have found a rather common ideological theme permeating the hopelessness and deception of the façade widely recognized as “Atheism;” that is, the typical atheist is…

1) A member of/proponent of the LGBTQ community via Obergefell v. Hodges (2015) and/or

2) A rabid supporter of child mutilation/murder via abortion via Roe v. Wade (1973).

3) Deceived puppets of the religion of Darwinian Evolution – the World’s most effective progenitor of atheism-naturalism-moral relativism-nihilism-secularism-hopelessness and a life of degradation and futility culminating in death in Hell.

LGBTQ – Gender Confusion…

In response to your support of “gender therapy,” let it be known that gender confusion in our current generation of moral compromise, moral relativism, finds is deception in the darkness of this fallen-World. From the beginning, our Creator created us male and female and with the exception of very rare genomic malformations resulting in hermaphroditism, if you’re born with a penis, you are a male and if you’re born with a vagina, you’re a female. This truism is relevant for the life of the body in Time; attempts to altar God’s Plan are futile.

The answer to gender-confusion is to reach down and grab your boot-straps or buckle your high-heals and accept what our God, through Nature, has made you and act accordingly. Stop believing the lies of “psychologists” with an agenda and the lies of those who live and profit from the degradation of the flesh while advocating for the lies of “revisionist gay theology” i.e. a lie from Hell. If you’re a male, act like you have a pair of testicles and conduct yourself as a man-masculine; if you’re a female, cherish your beauty and honor your life-giving body that God provided you. It’s not complicated. End of story.

Homosexuality and Lesbianism…

Also, just to be clear…homosexuality and lesbianism are NOT “natural” behaviors and there are no “gay genes” and you are not born “gay.” Homosexuality-Lesbianism is wilful rebellion to God’s Covenant of Marriage as established in The Genesis (Gen. 2:22-25) and reiterated by our Creator, Jesus Christ, in the Gospels (Mark 10:6-9); therefore, homosexuality and lesbianism are violations of God’s Divine Moral Law, the Natural Law, infused within our inner-man at conception. Unrepentant LGBTQ will be “without excuse” at Judgment in Eternity (Romans 1:18-32)!

Unless the practicing homosexual-lesbian humbles them self and repents of their sin and believes in their heart, confesses with their mouth that Jesus Christ is God who died to pay their sin-debt and that He was resurrected for their justification, said homosexual-lesbian will not NOT find life in God’s Kingdom but they will die in sin and ultimately lose both body and soul in Hell (Romans 10:9-10; Matthew 10:28).

Jesus Christ, in the Covenant of Grace, died so that all sinners (all of mankind), including the homosexual-lesbian, could find forgiveness for their immorality and thereby find a relationship with God the Father by grace through faith; that is, by trusting in Jesus Christ as Lord for the mediation of sin.

I have debated the lost, deceived, confused, irreverent, petulant, rebellious, demonically inspired, atheist ad nauseam and I know atheism to be a lie, a façade, a willful deception for the sexually perverse, the demonically inspired infanticide advocate, the deceived naturalist/evolutionist, secularist, moral relativist, nihilist, all seeking to justify their sin by denying that which they intuitively know exists i.e. our Creator, Who has identified Himself as Jesus Christ-Yeshua.

Atheist mocks the afterlife; What happens when I die?

Atheist, June V, stated: “People that insist on believing in an afterlife, do so, because they refuse to deal with death on death’s own terms. My guess is, nonhuman animals don’t suffer from that same mental human type of blight.”

Christian response to June V…

In The Beginning, on the 6th-Day of Creation, our Creator, Jesus Christ-Yeshua, created mankind in His spiritual image (Genesis 1:26) and endowed mankind with certain attributes possessed by God Himself. One of those attributes is an eternal spirit that will live and thrive abundantly beyond the death of the body constrained by Time and debilitating SIN.

Our Creator has infused Eternity into our heart (Ecclesiastes 3:11) and every man, woman and child is aware of a realm, aware of a life that extends beyond the brevity of this temporary life in Time (Hebrews 13:14) which the Holy Spirit refers to as a “vapor” that fades away like the morning mist (James 4:14). Only the man or woman, having given their hope and their Eternity into the hands of Satan through unbelief, have become numb to the glory that awaits the faithful in our Everlasting God, Jesus Christ-Yeshua (2 Corinthians 4:4).

A Christian’s hope in everlasting life as promised by Messiah-Yeshua/Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is not the resultant of fear concerning death of the body for we know that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) but we who love and honor Jesus Christ know that the human eye has not seen, ear has not heard of the unfathomable goodness that awaits those who dwell in the presence of our God who suffered and died so that we could live with Him forever (1 Corinthians 2:9).

It is written…

“But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is your victory? O death, where is your sting?” The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.” 1 Corinthians 15:54-57 (NASB)

What happens when I die?

1) Death of the unfaithful/unbelieving.

2) Death of the faithful in Jesus Christ.

3) Death of babies, children, the mentally handicapped.

1) Death of the unrepentant/those who die having rejected Jesus Christ-Yeshua as Lord and Mediator for sin…

Every man and woman having attained an age of reason/accountability *(Numbers 14:28-30) possessing sufficient cognitive acuity to discern right from wrong, moral from immoral, to discern the righteous decrees (Natural Law) of our Creator as written upon our heart at conception…if this unfaithful man or woman dies in their body of flesh having rejected the pardon from death in sin and Hell freely offered by Jesus Christ-Yeshua earned for them at the Crucifixion, at the point of death of body, the unredeemed/unfaithful in their disembodied spiritual form will be instantaneously translated into the region Messiah-Jesus identifies as Hades-Sheol/Torments (Luke 16).

The disembodied spirit of the unfaithful at the last exhalation of the Earthly body in Time, will enter Hades-Torments fully cognizant, fully aware, fully interactive in the Spiritual World, more so than when constrained in the body of flesh that inhibited full cognition and reality due to the inherent limitations of sin/the fallen-nature/the curse inherited from our father, Adam (Ephesians 2:1-3).

The unfaithful that have been confined in Hades-Sheol/Torments from The Genesis of Time are currently awaiting the Judgment of the Condemned/The Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) that will manifest subsequent to the Millennial Reign of Messiah-Yeshua that will manifest immediately subsequent to the coming Tribulation Period/the Apocalypse/a nuclear war that will be initiated by Islam-Allah/Satan v. Israel-Yeshua and consume the Nations of the Earth in the coming days.

Prior to the Judgment of the Condemned, the unfaithful detained in Hades-Sheol/Torments will receive a resurrected body of corruption (John 5:28-29) in order that they can stand in the Judgment before Jesus Christ-Yeshua (Romans 14:11; Philippians 2:10-11; Ecclesiastes 12:14). During adjudication, the condemned will be evaluated for the things done in the body while constrained by Time upon the Earth. No one will be found righteous for their works done in the body because God the Father has established an immutable Covenant between Himself and mankind that only by His grace (unmerited favor) through faith (trusting-believing) in His Son, Jesus Christ, and the innocent blood that Jesus shed at the Crucifixion can forgive, redeem, sinful mankind (John 3:16: Acts 4:12); therefore, the unrighteous man and woman at the Judgment of the Condemned, having rejected Jesus Christ as Lord, will be adjudicated “guilty” for sin, their name will NOT be found written in the Book of Life (Revelation 20:15) and they will be forced into the Lake of Fire/Hell/Gehenna and they will suffer for a period of time commensurate with the evil and rebellion performed in the body while constrained by Time upon the Earth; subsequent to this period of suffering, the unrighteous will die a “second death” and cease to exist forever (Revelation 20:14; Matthew 10:28). The “second death” is necessary because God the Father, in His purity-holiness-righteousness, will NOT permit the destructiveness of sin to enter the Eternal Kingdom of God (Revelation 21:27).

2) Death of the body relevant to the faithful in Jesus Christ…

Every man and woman having placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and having received forgiveness of sin and having received the indwelling Holy Spirit as the Seal/Guarantor relevant to the Covenant of Grace established by God the Father through the Son, Jesus Christ (Ephesians 1:13), these faithful men and women having trusted in Jesus Christ as Lord, at the point of death of the body in Time, they are instantaneously translated into the presence of God the Father in the Kingdom in their disembodied state that is fully cognitively acute/aware (2 Corinthians 5:8). Those who die with Jesus Christ as their Lord, will serve God in the Kingdom in a variety of occupations and positions as they were prepared for same during the process of Sanctification while in the body upon the Earth (1 Corinthians 6:3; Revelation 1:6 & 5:10).

At the resurrection, the faithful in Jesus Christ will receive a resurrected body fashioned like the resurrected body of Jesus Christ (Philippians 3:21) that is impervious to death, disease, pain, suffering (Revelation 21:4). Forever, the faithful in Jesus Christ will serve Him in the Kingdom and beyond if He so chooses and in the presence of our God there is joy and peace and assurance that is everlasting and beyond human comprehension (1 Corinthians 2:9).

3) What about babes (unborn/born), children, the mentally handicapped, who die in the Realm of Time?

The Holy Spirit has articulated within God’s Covenant (the Scriptures) that where there is no Law there is no sin (Romans 4:14; 5:13); therefore, babies, children having not attained an age of reason *(Numbers 14:28-30), the mentally handicapped, these lacking the ability to fully understand God’s righteous decrees via the Divine-Natural Law are NOT culpable for sin; therefore, upon the death of the body, these innocent before the Lord are escorted into His presence and they are restored to full acuity and spiritual life in order to enjoy the fullness of joy and peace that is found only in the presence of our loving God.

But Jesus said, “Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these.” Matthew 19:14 (NASB)

Speaking of the Eternal Realm, Jesus said…

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, then My servants would be fighting so that I would not be handed over to the Jews; but as it is, My kingdom is not of this realm.”  John 18:36 (NASB)

Atheist, June V, stated: “After spending about 3 years on Topix forums and being informed on a daily basis that my religious beliefs were stupid … I came to finally agree. However … when I wanted others to agree that their religious beliefs were also stupid … I found out in a hurry that they didn’t agree with me. For mysterious reasons, agreement only seemed to work one way.”

A Christian response…

June represents “the seed that was sown on rocky places” as she is part of the unrepentant “many” in this lost and dying World seeking death in sin and Hell (Matthew 7:13-14); June is knowledgeable about God and His righteousness as per the Scriptures but she never truly trusted in Jesus Christ as Lord. There are “many” who have a mental assent relevant to Jesus’ deity and His reality but never trusted in Him as Messiah (Matthew 7:21-23). It is these unfaithful people my Lord spoke of in the Parable of the Sower and the Seed in Matthew 18.

Jesus and the Parable of the Sower and the seed…

Hear then the parable of the sower. When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road. The one on whom seed was sown on the rocky places, this is the man who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no firm root in himself, but is only temporary, and when affliction or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he falls away. And the one on whom seed was sown among the thorns, this is the man who hears the word, and the worry of the world and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. And the one on whom seed was sown on the good soil, this is the man who hears the word and understands it; who indeed bears fruit and brings forth, some a hundredfold, some sixty, and some thirty.”  Matthew 18:13-23 (NASB)

Jesus said…

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23 (NASB)

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I too walked in a World of compromise from my teenage-years to my mid-30’s playing games with God, possessing a knowledge of partial Truth, but justifying my sin by spiritualizing the few Scriptures I knew and twisting them to mean something they did not mean; I was fully aware of my self-deceit but found comfort and justification in same none-the-less.

It was not until my first actual read/study of the New Testament, at 35-years-of-age, that I found Jesus Christ was truly Who He claimed to be and it was during that first read that my life was changed forever. That was 27-years ago and I only give thanks and praise to my God for His mercy and faithfulness for having given me the grace to know Him personally.

Those who play games with God are rather easily swayed away from the Truth because they have no root in the Holy Spirit and they live according to the old proverb…

“For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.” 2 Peter 2:20-22 (NASB)

But Jesus has said concerning those who have truly entered into a relationship with God the Father by grace through faith in the Son and having been subsequently sealed by the Holy Spirit of God…

Jesus said concerning His faithful…

“My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.” John 10:27-30 (NASB)

So then, we see a sharp delineation and contrast between those who play games with God and straddle the fence of faith, unbelief and disobedience compared to those who have humbled themselves and fully trusted in Jesus as Lord and subsequently received the Holy Spirit as a Seal of relationship (Ephesians 1:13). The differentiation is as stark as death v. life in the Spirit and Heaven v. Hell in Eternity.

Atheist, June V, stated: “The idea that gods exist … to in turn perceive humans as being special … should be laughable. And from my perspective … now that I am out of religion … it IS laughable. Why I couldn’t see it before, is because the religion itself kept me blind-sighted.”

Christian response to June…

“There are honest doubters and dishonest doubters. An honest doubter is willing to search out the truth and live by the results; a dishonest doubter doesn’t want to know the truth. He can’t find God for the same reason a thief can’t find a policeman.” Adrian Rogers

It is beyond human understanding and even basic commonsense when one seeks Truth concerning God that this Universe, the Moon, the Sun, the Stars, the complexity of the human genome, could manifest with such design void a Designer. Furthermore, it is absurd to believe that the Creator of this vast Universe and its inexplicable complexity would not clearly identify Himself and His Plan and purposes to that and to those which He has created; therefore, God the Father through the Son, Jesus Christ-Yeshua and by the power of God the Holy Spirit has provided,

1) The testimony/irrefutable-extant-empirical evidence provided by Nature that validates our Creator’s reality. The Holy Spirit declares this preliminary evidence as beyond refutation and articulated that anyone who denies God’s Creation as evidence for His validity will be “without excuse” at their adjudication/judgment in Eternity (Romans 1:18-32).

2) The Incarnation of God in Time through Jesus Christ-Yeshua, God in flesh Who walked among us for 33.5-years articulating and demonstrating God the Father to all who would believe (Philippians 2:5-8).

3) The Scriptures/the Holy Bible that span 1400-years and 40-writers inspired by God the Holy Spirit which explain, define, demonstrate, God’s Plan, purposes, eschatology, love and our reason for being/our purpose as we are constrained within the Realm of Time (Matthew 24:35). The Scriptures are God’s Covenant of Grace to YOU as per the work of Jesus Christ at the Crucifixion and this Covenant is Sealed/Guaranteed by the Holy Spirit of God to everyone who believes (John 3:16; Ephesians 1:13).

It truly is “the fool” (Psalm 14:1; Proverbs 1:7) and the rebellious individual seeking obfuscation, justification, for their aberrant lust, their sin, their rejection of God’s authority who reject the irrefutable evidence for our Creator and His power, dominion, authority over life. It is this rejection of truth that culminates in death of the body and death of the soul in Hell because our Holy and Just and Righteous God will NOT permit destructive, unrepentant sin to enter His Kingdom (Matthew 10:28; John 3:1-21; Revelation 21:27 .

In closing…

It is irrefutable Truth that God will not reveal Himself to anyone who truly does not desire to know Him. Unless a man or woman is willing to humble them self (James 4:10; 1 Peter 5:6) and acknowledge their need for God’s wisdom, His direction and His forgiveness for their sin, God the Father will remain an enigma and that person absorbed by narcissism, pride, arrogance, obsessions with aberrant lust, they will ultimately die in their sin and lose their soul in Hell for having rejected God’s Way to life in Eternity with Him i.e. by grace (unmerited favor) through faith (trusting-believing) that Jesus Christ is God who died to pay their sin-debt and that He was resurrected for their justification (Romans 10:9-10; John 14:6). It is the atheist that stumbles over the Rock of stumbling.