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Theological question was asked: “Regarding the Great commission [provided in] Matthew 28:18-20, how do you view that as part of the New covenant?”
Christian response,
Jacob’s children were foreordained to be ministers of the New Covenant’s “Great Commission” (Matthew 28) as this would fulfill Elohim’s promise to Abraham concerning his seed becoming “a blessing to every family of the Earth” (Genesis 12:3b) and Messiah came specifically to the “lost sheep of Israel” (Matthew 15:24) to proselytize them in the New Covenant’s Gospel of Grace, a Gospel ordained “before Time began” (2 Timothy 1:8-10) specifically as Elohim’s battle strategy “to destroy the works of the Devil” through Messiah (1 John 3:8b; Genesis 3:15); this, as the New Covenant was promised through the prophets Ezekiel (Chapter 36) and Jeremiah (Chapter 31); unfortunately, Israel’s children rejected Messiah, rejected the New Covenant Gospel established in the blood of Yeshua (Matthew 26:28) and ultimately Israel’s children murdered their Messiah upon a tree while exclaiming that His blood be upon them and their children (Matthew 27:25); therefore, Elohim, for essential eschatological purposes concerning His Kingdom and defeat of the Devil, defaulted, pivoted, and gave the New Covenant Gospel to the Gentiles (Romans 11:25) and the Great Commission was given them as the conveyance of Elohim’s “Good News” to the entire Earth (salvation by grace through faith); this, while Israel has been placed under Judgment in unbelief and therefore only a “remnant” of Israel’s children will escape the “second death” in Hell (Isaiah 10:22; Romans 9:27); this “remnant” comprised primarily of those proselytized by the 144,000 Jewish witnesses through the Tribulation Era prefacing Messiah’s Millennial Reign.
The DEMONIC Lie of “Christian Perfectionism” or “Sinless Christianity”…
I see another demon in these forums working through the sincerely deceived skirting about the pages seeking the attention of the naïve and immature in order to infuse within them doubt, fear, discouragement, an absence of peace, by emphatically stating that when one is “born again” by faith in Jesus Christ they receive a new-nature and consequently the old sin-nature is eradicated; therefore, the Christian never sins again falsely suggesting they are not only “positionally right” with the Father through the imputation-gifting of Messiah’s righteousness by faith but they are now perfectly righteous in reality and they no longer sin in mind, body or spirit. THIS IS THE DEVIL’S LIE – don’t believe it!
The Apostle Paul touched on this subject in Romans 7 as he explains the old nature in Adam that remains ever-present in the life of the redeemed in Jesus and Paul explains by example in his own life the struggle, the war, between the new-nature in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17) and the old-nature in Adam (Romans 5:12), the ever-present struggle between the mind, body, spirit, of mankind.
When one is born-again by faith in Jesus and they receive the indwelling Holy Spirit as Guarantor of New Covenant relationship with the Father (Ephesians 1:13-14) they most certainly do become a “new creation” in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17) but the sinful flesh remains and integral with that flesh is Adam’s genome and the curse of sin that incrementally kills the body, daily, second-by-second (Romans 5:12); therefore, the redeemed in Jesus possess two-natures, a new-nature in Jesus (the second-Adam) and the old-nature passed genomically through the first-Adam.
Culpability concerning the “thought life” via mens rea,
Jesus, during His 3.5-year ministry upon this Earth, enhanced culpability concerning the Law (Spiritual and Written Code) and its applicability over our lives. Jesus enhanced the culpability of Law through the addition of mens rea or the “thought life-the guilty mind;” that is, Jesus taught in Matthew 5 that no longer must a man or woman physiologically commit a sin in order to be culpable before the Father but the mere “thought” of the sin was culpability; this, with an emphasis on the sin of murder and adultery. In the New Covenant, sin is possible through the mind, body and spirit; therefore, when John writes in his epistle (1 John 2) that Christians do not sin, John is NOT promulgating the demonic lie of Christian Perfectionism but John is speaking of living, existing, in willful, unrepentant, sin that mirrors the defiled lives of those who compromise daily with the perverse affections of the World.
Anyone who professes Messiah Jesus as Lord yet lives in willful, unrepentant, sin does not nor did they ever belong to the Father by faith in the Son nor do they possess the indwelling Holy Spirit who methodically works through the redeemed conscience, minute-by-minute, to produce fruit of righteousness honoring the Father that naturally eschews sin and deceit (Galatians 5; Matthew 7:15-20).
The Devil’s lie exposed,
Satan would like nothing more than to defeat a new Christian or an immature Christian with the false doctrine of Christian Perfectionism or Sinless Christianity. Christianity is a life-long process where we learn, daily, in sanctification through the Holy Spirit to ready ourselves for service in the New Jerusalem. Jesus does not call the perfect to repentance but He calls those who possess a heart that is willing to love Him, to love the Father and honor the Holy Spirit by seeking a divine righteousness that only the Holy Spirit can impart in the life of the redeemed; again, this is a daily work through the redeemed conscience and the Christian relents to the flesh now and then, the Christian does sin now and then; in fact, we all do…but by the Father’s grace we, the redeemed in Jesus, have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, who gave Himself to pay our sin-debt owed the Father and in addition, the Son has gifted us HIS righteousness and made us “positionally right” with the Father, this by grace and covenant promise (Hebrews 8:12); therefore, we are secure in our Lord, forever (John 10:28-30; 2 Corinthians 5:21) and though we sin in word, thought, deed, we are not forsaken but we stand forgiven by eternal grace; therefore, persevere in victory won for you by our Messiah, Jesus Christ, at Golgotha and walk daily in His peace (Romans 5:1). Do not listen to the Devil or his advocates.
Do not be deceived by the Judaizers, Cults, Religionists…
Matthew 7:21-23 is often misunderstood by Jews-Israelite’s-Cults-Religionists as they naively believe Messiah is rejecting these because of lawlessness when what Jesus is teaching is the truism that these who were rejected had never established covenant with the Father by faith in the Son; therefore, neither the Son or the Father knew them as children of the Living God; therefore, their “wonderful works” were interpreted as a “filthy garment” (Isaiah 64:6) (Hebrew – literally a blood soaked menstrual cloth) because those “wonderful works” had been performed in self-righteousness in the flesh and NOT by the Holy Spirit via sanctification (Ephesians 2:8-9).
This teaching moment by Messiah has nothing to do with the quality of the works performed but with the truism that in order for our behavior-our philanthropy-our law keeping-our obedience to be interpreted by the Father as honorable we must first establish New Covenant relationship with Him by faith in His Son (John 6:29; John 3), receive the Holy Spirit as Guarantor of that covenant (Ephesians 1:13-14) and walk daily by the Holy Spirit (Galatians 5:16) in sanctification – in obedience to Him via the redeemed conscience (2 Corinthians 5:17) producing “fruit” that honors the Father (Galatians 5:22-23) as noted by Jesus in Matthew 7:15-20.
Do not allow the religionist-the Judaizer-the cultist to deceive you through an alternative, self-righteous, interpretation of Matthew 7:21-23. Lawlessness-Law Keeping-Works of Righteousness are NOT the focal point in this divine discussion but an absence of faith, covenant, are the subject of relevance.
Sinai v. Golgotha: Death in Hell v. Life in Eternity (Which Mountain governs your Eternity?)
All the Law (Sinai and Spiritual) and the Prophets are summed upon in this: Love the Lord your God with your whole heart and love your neighbor as yourself (Matthew 22:36-40). The entire law, both the Spiritual Law (Romans 2:14-15; Romans 8:2) and Written Code (Sinai), is fulfilled by the man, woman or child who has trusted in Jesus Christ as Messiah and received the Holy Spirit as Guarantor of that New Covenant relationship (Ephesians 1:13-14) and subsequently walks in the Spirit (Galatians 5:16) who employs the Spiritual Law written upon our heart at conception, infused within the human genome on Day-6, and the Spirit enlivens that Law via the redeemed conscience (2 Corinthians 5:17) and produces “fruits of righteousness” (Galatians 5) in the life of the Christian and that “fruit” fulfills every law, every jot and tittle of Scripture, commanded by the Father, Son and Spirit (Galatians 5).
Jesus said that “you will know them by their fruit” (Matthew 7:15-20). The Christian is NOT under a written code given specifically to Israel for eschatological purposes concerning the Tribes and their affiliation with paganism (Romans 6:14) but the Christian lives by faith (Romans 1:17; Hebrews 11:6; Galatians 2:16) and walks by obedience to the Holy Spirit via the Spiritual Law and NOT a written code etched in stone or scratched upon parchment (Romans 7:6; Romans 8:1-6). If the Christian never heard of, read, studied, Torah Law, their New Covenant relationship with the Father would be undeterred as Sinai and Moses have no bearing on New Covenant relationship with the Father through faith in the Son and subsequently walking in obedience to the Holy Spirit via the Spiritual Law producing fruits of righteousness. Israel’s failures do not nullify Messiah’s work at Golgotha or the Spirit’s work subsequent Golgotha but Israel’s failures magnify the Father’s faithfulness, His holiness, His promises, His purposes in destroying the work of the Devil irrespective of the failures of man and angels (1 John 3:8b). Humanity possesses the free will choice to join the Father in victory through faith in Messiah Jesus and humanity has the choice to ally with the Devil and die in Hell…this is the simplicity of the Gospel.
The Spiritual Law is eternal law as its genesis is in Eternity in conjunction with the creation of the angels and the Spiritual Law will remain relevant in the New Jerusalem as an arbiter of free will because free will remains extant in Eternity by necessity. Sinai, the written code, finds its origin in the Spiritual Law and is therefore wholly reliant upon the eternal veracity of the Spiritual Law for its relevance concerning the Hebrew Tribes. The New Covenant has very little in common with Sinai, Moses, a Written Code, but the New Covenant’s relevance is manifest by Faith in Jesus-the Holy Spirit and covenant promise provided by the Father (Ezekiel 36; Jeremiah 31; Hebrews 8).
Sinai v. Golgotha,
If you pursue life with the Father via Sinai, you will perish in Hell in self-righteousness (Romans 3:20; Romans 10; Galatians 2:16) but if you pursue Covenant with the Father through Golgotha, you will live eternally (John 3; John 14:6). The mountain you choose to climb determines your future in Eternity.
Women in the Ministry…a contentious subject within the Body of Christ…
An alternative perspective,
This Scripture (1 Timothy 2:11-14) and Paul’s letters to the Corinthians commanding women to remain silent during services (1 Corinthians 14:34) should be taken and received in light of, consideration of, the pagan rituals that were transpiring in the Temple at Delphi adjacent to Corinth in the First-Century and the intoxicated babbling – “oracles of enlightenment” (Delphic Oracles) offered by the pagan priestess there that had obviously carried-over into the Corinthian Church where women in the congregation were mimicking the pagan practice during Church services; this unruly behavior causing confusion and disorganization among the congregation, much to the consternation of Paul; this, through babbling in unknown tongues of prophecy and spurious interpretation.
It is wise and discerning to understand the context and the society, customs, norms, in which these Biblical commands and edicts are given before ordaining them as ceremonial law for the entire Body of Christ. I do NOT believe a woman should have divine authority over a man but women have invaluable gifts and knowledge and experiences that edify the Body of Christ and to deny them a place of honor in the congregation and specialized ministry is unwise.
1 Corinthians 14:33 for God is not a God of confusion but of peace, as in all the churches of the saints.
Law-keeping fanaticism/self-righteousness continues through the corrupted theology of Religion, Judaism, Cults – Legalism, the Written Code…
Forum resident legalist stated: “Whether you know the Law or not…whether you know about Y’shua or not… the soul that continues in sin shall die. Faith without works is dead, true faith is an action word.”
Christian response,
1) Faith that initiates New Covenant relationship with the Father is a noun, NOT a verb. You can do NOTHING to earn your salvation, a salvation that is offered by grace (unmerited favor unattainable through human effort – a divine gift) through faith-trust-belief in Jesus as your Messiah (John 3; Ephesians 2:8-9).
2) We, the descendants of Adam, will die in body due to sin (1 Corinthians 15:22) though there will be a minuscule segment of humanity that will not see physical death but be transformed in that Day (1 Corinthians 15:51). With that said, if one professes Jesus Christ as Messiah and continues living in willful sin void conscience, they are not, nor were they ever, redeemed by faith (Matthew 7:15-20) as these who are willfully lawless remain as those who pursue righteousness through the written code (Torah) – they are cursed (Galatians 3:10), they are dead in their sin and trespasses due to the Law of Sin and Death that defines sin void atonement (Romans 3:20; Romans 8:2).
The error of self-righteousness through Law,
Where law obsessed fanatics fail in their corrupted theology is their inability or unwillingness to comprehend the New Covenant’s promises and the Spiritual Law (Romans 2:14-15) that is employed by the Holy Spirit through the redeemed conscience via the daily process of sanctification (Galatians 5:16) which produces “fruit” of righteousness (Galatians 5: Matthew 7:15-20) that fulfills the moral requirements of all law, including the written code (Romans 7:6)…you simply cannot see, hear, internalize, this truth because you are dead spiritually and the god of this World, Satan, has blinded your mind and your heart from my Father’s Truth through His Son via His Holy Spirit (2 Corinthians 4:4); that is, a righteousness (right standing with the Father) that has manifest through faith APART FROM THE LAW – TORAH (Romans 3:21).
Superiority of New Covenant obedience,
The obedience produced by the indwelling Holy Spirit in the New Covenant is infinitely superior to Torah Law seeking compliance through the sin-nature of the Jew, Israelite, converts to Judaism, the legalist, the Islamist, cult member, as the Spiritual Law written upon the heart at conception is enlivened by the Holy Spirit through the redeemed conscience and the Holy Spirit then tutors, guides, provides exacting divine discernment in every facet of a Christian’s life, daily; therefore, every decision is filtered through the Holy Spirit’s wisdom via the conscience and those decisions are therefore protected from obfuscation, interpretation, rationalization, that is prevalent with any form of written code.
Written Code obsessions and the spiritually dead,
It matters not your fervor for obedience to Law, if you’re absent covenant with the Father, a New Covenant established ONLY by faith in the Son, you are a spiritually dead man or woman walking this Earth in decaying flesh in pursuit of nihilism and futility. Judaism, Sinai, Religion, Islam, Catholicism, Denominationalism, Philanthropy, Sabbath Observance, Law-Keeping, Tradition-Keeping, Torah, the Tanakh, ONLY CONDEMNS YOUR SOUL TO HELL in the absence of Jesus Christ as Messiah by faith.
Conclusion,
True, abiding faith in Jesus naturally engenders, motivates, results in, produces, “fruits of righteousness” that fulfills all Law (Galatians 5); this, performed through and by the indwelling Holy Spirit given to all who believe-trust in Jesus as Messiah (Ephesians 1:13-14). Your LAW obsession void Messiah by faith condemns your soul to Hell; this, without excuse.
Concerning Jewish/Israelite obsessions with Sinai-the Written Code and obedience to Law,
To those confused about “law” in the New Covenant,
If one desires to honor the Ten-Commandments simplified into the Two-Greatest Commandments as articulated by Messiah, those Two-Commandments fulfilling all Law (Matthew 22:36-40), they must repent of their sin and initiate covenant relationship with the Father by faith in the Son, Jesus Christ, believing that Jesus died to pay their sin-debt for them and subsequently receive the indwelling Holy Spirit in accordance with New Covenant promise (Ezekiel 36:27) and walk by the Spirit (Galatians 5:16), obeying the Spirit’s leadership and tutorship over their life; this, accomplished by the Holy Spirit working through the redeemed conscience (2 Corinthians 5:17) via the daily process of sanctification where the Spirit produces “fruits” of righteousness (Galatians 5:22-23) and this spiritual fruit fulfills all Law, both the Spiritual Law (Romans 2:14-15) and the Written Code (Sinai), as there is no Law against that “fruit of righteousness” which the Spirit produces in the life of the one redeemed by Jesus as Messiah; in fact, Jesus said “you will know them by their fruit” (Matthew 7:15-20). It is the “fruit of the Spirit” that is KEY to pleasing the Father subsequent having established covenant with Him by faith in the Son and not striving after letters that condemn the soul to Hell void atonement (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:6).
Weakness of the Written Code (Sinai)
Understand that the Written Code cannot be fulfilled by the flesh, the sin-nature, therefore, attempts to honor the Father through keeping the Written Code are futile, nihilistic, condemnation, a curse, (Romans 3:20; Galatians 3:10) as the Written Code, in order to attain righteousness (a right standing with the Father) through it, mandates absolute perfection (James 2:10) and the sin-nature inherited from Adam (Romans 5:12) is simply not capable of complying and pleasing the Father through perfect obedience (Romans 3:23); therefore, Jesus entered Time via the virgin womb, circumvented the sin-nature inherited from Adam; consequently, Jesus kept the Law for us in mandated perfection (Matthew 5:17) and offers you and me His perfection, His righteousness, imputed-gifted into our life by New Covenant promise when we acknowledge Him as our Messiah believing that He died for us to pay our sin-debt, a debt owed the Father that we could never pay our self (John 3; 2 Corinthians 5:21).
Conclusion,
Faith in Jesus and subsequently walking in the Holy Spirit through sanctification is the ONLY Way to produce “fruit” that honors the Law and pleases the Father as you are now His child, forever (John 10:28-30; Jude 1:24).
“Jesus was not sent to gentiles…Jesus was sent to the Lost sheep of Israel. The Sole purpose of your Jesus was to gather the Lost Sheep of Israel, not Gentiles. Paul came out of the blue and went to gentiles with his own doctrine.”
Christian rebuttal,
Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24) to continue their sanctification – ordination concerning the Father’s eschatological plan relevant to “destroying the works of the Devil” through Messiah (1 John 3:8b) via the Gospel that was ordained “before Time began” (2 Timothy 1:8-10). Israel rejected this New Covenant established in the blood of Messiah at Golgotha (Matthew 26:28) and Elohim honored Israel’s free will decision to reject Grace and pursue self-righteousness through Law; consequently, Elohim gave the Covenant of Grace through Faith to the Gentiles relevant to the Great Commission (Matthew 28) and Israel was placed under judgment and will remain under judgment until the fullness of the Gentiles have entered the Kingdom (Romans 11:25); therefore, only a “remnant” of Israel’s children will escape the “second death” in Hell due to arrogance, self-righteousness through Law, unbelief-rejection of Yeshua as Messiah (Isaiah 10:22; Romans 9:27).
Israel is not unique relevant to Elohim’s judgements and He warned them in Deuteronomy 28 that their future, their blessings, their covenant relationship with Him, were all predicated upon National obedience yet Israel arrogantly tested Elohim and they have and are presently reaping what they have sown in disobedience, murder, blasphemy, unbelief, self-righteousness. Today, Israel’s children are the eternal example of what NOT TO DO concerning establishing covenant relationship with the Father.
Israelite mockingly asks: “I see, so God failed to foresee that Israel would fail and so He sent His prophets inaccurate prophecies?”
Christian response,
Elohim also created the Adamic and Noahic generations prior to Abraham as well, an unfathomable number of men, women, children, who freely rebelled against Elohim’s eschatological will for their lives by engaging in unconscionable defilement via an alliance with the demonic resulting in Elohim’s judgment of death by water save eight; this, resulting in a broken heart suffered by Elohim as He admitted His sorrow for having created humanity (Genesis 6) yet Elohim began anew; this, as Elohim’s eschatological purposes must be fulfilled and the KEY to Elohim’s eschatological plan is FREE WILL, SELFLESS LOVE.
Elohim did not, has not, “failed” concerning the Adamic, Noahic, Abrahamic, Old and New Covenants but allows free will to reign by necessity as Elohim via His divine omnipotence works through, around, the free will of both the angelic and human creations to accomplish His perfect will for Eternity and for the temporary Realm of Time.
Elohim has allowed both His angels and His created humanity to possess free will so that intimate relationship with Him can exist with purity and authenticity with reciprocal meaning and substance. Elohim poured His heart into Israel, blessed and sanctified them for His eschatological purposes having to do with victory over the Devil but the sin-nature initiated by the deception of Satan through Adam countered Elohim’s love and was initially successful; this cosmic war between Elohim and Satan being obsessed over by the angels who are observing their Creator deal with a rebellious cherub angel and their fellow brethren (fallen angels) that followed the rebellious anointed cherub in the great rebellion manifesting in the Kingdom before Time was created; the Earth having been created by Yeshua as a temporary battle ground for this cosmic rebellion; this, apart from the Kingdom where nothing impure is permitted to exist (Revelation 21:27).
What you fail to understand or comprehend due to your blindness in Law-Torah-Judaism and absence of the Spirit as your Teacher is that all we observe in the Scriptures is the resultant of a WAR of cosmic proportions that rages around us and through us; the entirety of Scripture is an eschatological battle strategy initiated by Elohim, a battle strategy we know as “The Gospel of Grace” that was ordained “before Time began” (2 Timothy 1:8-10) and the Warrior given authority over this Cosmic Battle is the Messiah who entered Time specifically “to destroy the works of the Devil” (1 John 3:8b). If you will study the words provided you by the Holy Spirit with this cosmic battle strategy as foundational to all theological doctrine, you will gain insight into the who, what, where, when, why, how, concerning Elohim’s eschatological plan for Time, Eternity, your life.
You are approaching the Scriptures, Life, the Torah, Moses, the prophets, the Law, without a proper context or foundation. You do not understand the eschatological plan initiated by Elohim long before Day-1 of the creation narrative and you do not understand causation for the creation narrative, the temporal existence of the Universe in which we exist and the purposes for same or causation for a complex human genome created in the spiritual image of Elohim on Day-6.
At the core of all that is life, Time, reality, flesh, spirit, is Free Will and Messiah and Satan and Elohim’s precious faithful angelic creation as Elohim endeavors to restore order, holiness, to His Kingdom while simultaneously maintaining volitional love with His angelic creation, but you don’t see because you’re “existing” and not “living” because you’re absent the Holy Spirit who is the Teacher given humanity by faith in Yeshua and the Spirit is the One who anoints with knowledge and purpose to make you effective in this unfathomable struggle between good and evil…you don’t KNOW because your affections lie with Moses and NOT in Yeshua our Creator, Warrior, Messiah, Judge.
Your deception is integral with Adam while Truth is integral with Yeshua…yet you live in deception by free will via an obsession with a dead covenant based in Law that curses your soul to death in Hell (Galatians 3:10) void any semblance of atonement or hope.
The Messianic Jew – conflicted, rejected, alienated, due self-righteousness and Moses…
The struggle for the Messianic Jew is Israel’s obsession with self-righteousness through Law (Romans 10; Galatians). Israel is inherently arrogant and the Tribes think themselves superior to the rest of humanity due to Elohim’s sanctification of their tribes, the covenants enacted for His eschatological purposes yet it was Israel’s arrogance and self-righteousness that condemned them and resulted in their failure to complete Elohim’s eschatological will for the Tribes concerning the Gospel, Messiah, a promise to be a blessing to every family of the Earth (Genesis 12:3) through Messiah via the Gospel via faith via the Great Commission (Matthew 28).
The Messianic Jew is certainly conflicted as they desire to honor Yeshua but simply cannot let go of Moses or at a minimum, place Moses in his proper perspective. The Messianic Jew struggles with “faith” as they relent to vain attempts to keep the written code in order to supplement saving faith in Yeshua; that is, the Messianic Jew arrogantly and sadly believes that Yahweh is not pleased with faith alone in Messiah but that they, in self-righteousness, must supplement grace, they must play a role in their own salvation through observing days, diets, traditions, ordinances, while not understanding that they’re denying the fundamental element of New Covenant relationship with the Father, FAITH-ALONE IN YESHUA, ALONE (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3:21).
For this reason, “many” Messianic Jews will approach Yeshua at Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15) and point to their wonderful works in His Name and Yeshua will tell them, away from Me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you (Matthew 7:21-23); this, because the Messianic Jew trusted in their own self-righteousness through Moses for their salvation and denied the sole-sufficiency of Yeshua to save by faith (Galatians 2:16; Romans 10; Romans 9:27). This is why only a remnant of Israel’s children will escape the “second death” in Hell, they rejected Elohim’s grace through faith for works of the Law as they idolize Moses and reject the divine sufficiency of Yeshua to save by faith-belief-trust (Isaiah 10:22; Romans 9:27).