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Works Salvation? Revelation 14:12

Works Salvation? “Here is the perseverance of the saints who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.” Revelation 14:12 (NASB)

Christian response,

Jesus’ Commandments are the subject here, not the Covenant of Law/the Decalogue and no one keeps the Commandments of Jesus unless they have first established relationship with the Father by grace through faith in Jesus as Lord and received the indwelling Holy Spirit who walks them in obedience through sanctification. It is the indwelling Holy Spirit who is Guarantor of relationship with the Father (Ephesians 1:13-14) and it the Holy Spirit and Jesus and the Father who keep the faithful from stumbling and ensures their endurance in the faith to the end (Jude 1:24-25; John 10:28-30). No one possess the indwelling Holy Spirit in the New Covenant unless they have first established covenant relationship with the Father by faith-belief-trust in Jesus Christ as their Lord who died to pay their sin-debt (John 3).

Confusion INRE to Adam-Eve-Original Sin? An explanation…

Confusion INRE to Adam-Eve-Original sin? An explanation…

Christian response,

It is Adam’s seed via federal headship that carries the sin-nature to all of humankind (Romans 5:12). Though both Adam and his wife, Eve, are culpable for disobedience, Adam carries the greater, enhanced, weight of culpability because of federal headship and the truism that Adam received the edict to not compromise with evil DIRECTLY from Elohim whereas Eve received the command by hearsay from her husband, Adam; in fact, we’re not sure if Eve was instructed properly and accurately by Adam as Eve, when tempted by Satan/the Serpent, added “touching” the fruit as a prohibition which Elohim never gave such command.

Also, it’s important to note that when Eve disobeyed and compromised with evil, NOTHING manifest in Eden…not until such time that Adam relented to the enticement of his wife to disobey Elohim did the evidence and ramifications of sin manifest in Adam and Eve e.g. fear, shame, hiding from God, obfuscation, displaced blame and accusations, refusal to take responsibility.

This is one reason our Messiah Yeshua-Jesus entered the Realm of Time through the virgin womb as first noted in Genesis 3:15, Isaiah 7:14 and Matthew 1:23 as Yeshua-Jesus circumvented the sin-nature transferred by Adam’s seed to all of mankind and it is our earthly father that transfers this sin-nature which initiated corruption/atrophy of the human genome and ultimately spiritual and physical death among all of humankind beginning in Eden.

Having circumvented the sin-nature via the virgin birth, Yeshua-Jesus walked among us for 33.5-years in complete righteousness, sinlessness, thereby making Himself the ONLY acceptable sacrifice, atonement, the spotless Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the World (John 1:29) and everyone who trusts in Yeshua-Jesus as Messiah believing that He died to pay their sin-debt will receive the imputation of Messiah’s perfection, righteousness, over their life in exchange for their sin-debt which has been paid in full by faith in Yeshua-Jesus as Lord (2 Corinthians 5:21; Romans 10:9-10). Paradise lost will be Paradise restored by faith in Yeshua-Jesus (the 2nd-Adam) as Lord (1 Corinthians 15:45; Romans 5).

The Necessity of Yeshua as Lord?

The Necessity of Yeshua as Lord?


The Torah is NOTHING novel or NEW as the moral law has been extant from the creation of the angels as the moral law of God is the arbiter of free will.The Torah was given to a SPECIFIC people group set-apart beginning with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, as these people were to be holy before God as God is Holy and they were to be set-apart for God’s eschatological purposes concerning the Gospel of Messiah who would enter Time through the Tribe of Judah. The Torah’s only relevance today in the New Covenant is the moral law reiterated by same and ultimately infused within the New Covenant through Messiah’s Commandments.


The Torah ONLY defined our sin but provided no atonement (Romans 3:20); The Torah only curses the one seeking righteousness through Law (Galatians 3:10; Deuteronomy 27:26). Faith-trusting in Yeshua for the forgiveness of sin is mankind’s only Hope as only the shedding of blood provides atonement (Leviticus 17:11; Hebrews 9:22; Hebrews 10; Genesis 3:21). We know that the blood of animals could not atone for sin (Hebrews 10:4); therefore, the Father prepared a body, the Lamb of God, to atone for your sin (John 1:29) i.e. Yeshua our Messiah.


Yeshua is the fulfillment of the prophecy provided by Elohim in Genesis 3:21 and it is only by faith in the shed blood of Yeshua that one enters into covenant relationship with the Father and receives the indwelling Holy Spirit as Guarantor of that relationship, forever (John 3:16-18; Ephesians 1:13-14). It is the one who believes in Yeshua as Lord that is justified before the Father, NOT the one who works in self-righteousness through Law.

Grace, Faith, Trust V. Self-righteousness through Law

Grace-Faith-Trust v. Self-Righteousness through Law…

At no time in human history was man saved from sin by self-righteousness through works…this truism was first demonstrated in Genesis 3:21 with the shedding of innocent blood by God to cover the sin and shame of Adam with an imputed robe of righteousness while rejecting the works of Adam’s hands to cover his own sin with fig-leaves. From The Beginning, faith has been the KEY to relationship with our God (Hebrews 11).

It is written,

6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him. Hebrews 11:6 (KJV)

It is only by faith-trusting in Jesus our Messiah who kept the Law for us in perfection (Matthew 5:17) that we can receive the righteousness of Jesus imputed into our life in exchange for our sin that condemns us to Hell (2 Corinthians 5:21). It is the imputed righteousness of Jesus earned for us at Golgotha/the Crucifixion that initiates covenant relationship with the Father (John 3:16) and this covenant relationship is initiated when a man or woman humbles them self before God and believes-trusts in Jesus Christ as our Lord who suffered and died and shed His sinless blood to pay our sin-debt…a debt that could never be satisfied by works of the Law in self-righteousness (John 3:16-18; Romans 10:9-10).

Jesus Christ-Yeshua as your Lord is the ONLY Way to life in the Kingdom of God subsequent to death of the body in Time (John 14:6).

What does Jesus mean by “if you love me you will keep my commandments”?

What does Jesus mean by “…if you love me you will keep my Commandments…”? John 14:15

Christian response,

NO ONE finds covenant relationship through Law, no one (Romans 3:20). The Commandments spoken of by Jesus are HIS COMMANDMENTS, not the Decalogue in the Old Covenant. And obedience to Messiah’s Commandments are NOT possible or relevant to God until such time a covenant relationship with the Father is established by grace through faith in Jesus as our Lord and the Holy Spirit takes-up residence within the believer who then teaches those Commandments to the faithful (John 14:26) and walks them in sanctification/obedience as He prepares the faithful for service in the New Jerusalem.

Until such time one establishes Covenant Relationship with the Father, your works and striving after Law is futile as our best works on our best day are as a filthy menstrual cloth in the nose of God (Isaiah 64:6). Legalists, Jews, Israelites, Cults, do NOT understand God’s truth because they’re hung up in a Covenant that provides NOTHING but knowledge of our culpability void atonement (Romans 3:20).

It is the one who BELIEVES in Jesus as Lord that is saved from death in sin and Hell and NOT the one who strives after self-righteousness through Law. Our obedience is relevant SUBSEQUENT to our salvation as our obedience SUBSEQUENT to our salvation is verification of our saving faith have led to a new creation in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17).

Romans 8:2

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”

Romans 3:20

“20 because by the works of the Law none of mankind will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes knowledge of sin.”

SDA & Jewish Roots obsession with the Decalogue…

SDA and Jewish Roots obsession with the Ten-Commandments…
Christian response,
It’s not that anyone fights against the Decalogue, it’s the fact that the Decalogue, the moral laws articulated therein, have been infused within the New Covenant via Messiah’s Commandments and the Christian does not look to the Decalogue for guidance i.e. the Old Covenant of Law but the Christian looks to the Holy Spirit and Messiah’s Commandments written upon our heart, administered by the Spirit via sanctification in the New Covenant, for wisdom and obedience as the Spirit prepares us for service in the New Jerusalem.
If the Christian never had access to the Ten-Commandments/or the Torah…their covenant relationship with the Father would be unimpeded as Jesus is our Law and our Lord.

See Messiah’s Commandments: https://www.blueletterbible.org/search/dictionary/viewtopic.cfm?topic=ST0000031

Is Christianity Lawlessness masked by Grace?

A participant in a religious debate forum asked why it is that Jesus taught the Father’s Ten-Commandments yet Christians deny them as relevant through their alleged disobedience to the Decalogue?

Christian response,

The demonically inspired propaganda that Christianity is lawlessness is foolishness and an agenda promulgated by legalists and the cult of the SDA – Sabbatarianism and Jewish Roots fanatics. The Decalogue was given SPECIFICALLY to Jacob’s children through Moses at Sinai and they are NOTHING NEW but simply a reiteration and codification in stone of the moral law written upon our heart at conception having been extant from the creation of the angels as these moral laws (9 of the 10) act as an arbiter of free will. As a servant of Jesus Christ, I am NOT under the Law of the Covenant, I am under GRACE in my LORD (Romans 6:14). Please, allow me to explain…

What is the difference between the Letter and the Spirit?

Christianity adheres to a stricter and more demanding LAW than the Covenant of Law could ever produce. Jesus’ Commandments articulated during His Earthly ministry (not the Decalogue per se), are written upon the heart of the faithful in Him by faith. Jesus’ Commandments are methodically administered by the indwelling Holy Spirit through sanctification via the conscience and those LAWS-Commandments possess increased culpability through mens rea or the “thought life;” this, as no longer must an individual physiologically perform the sin to internalize culpability but the mere THOUGHT of the sin is condemnation (Matthew 5:27-28).

Again, the Christian walks in obedience to the Commandments of JESUS which are written upon the heart of those who love Him and these Commandments are carefully, methodically, internalized and processed WITHIN every true believer by the Spirit via the conscience (John 14:26). Please STOP with the “Christianity is lawlessness” nonsense, it’s the Devils work.

Christian’s warning to the Jew/Israelite seeking salvation through the Torah

A Christian’s warning to the Jew, the Israelite, seeking eternal life through the Torah/Tanakh.

Sin is violating God’s moral law…that law having been extant from the creation of the angels as LAW is the arbiter of free will. Unrepentant/unatoned for sin will not be permitted to enter the Kingdom of God as God is Holy and sin’s destructive nature will not find acceptance in His presence (Revelation 21:27). The Torah/Tanakh only defines sin, culpability before God but is completely absent atonement and without the shedding of blood there is no atonement or forgiveness of sin (Leviticus 17:11; Hebrews 10).

The Torah is NOTHING NEW but simply a reiteration of the moral law with the addition of ceremonial-civil-dietary edicts given specifically to Jacob’s children through Moses as they were set-apart for God’s eschatological purposes concerning Messiah and the Gospel. You will not be judged in Eternity by the Torah…you will be judged by the moral law written upon your heart at your creation/conception. Unless Yeshua is your Lord to atone for your disobedience to the moral law, you will NOT enter the Kingdom of God (John 14:6). The Torah provides ZERO atonement (Romans 3:20) and without Yeshua’s shed blood to atone for your sin, you will die in sin and die in perdition without hope or excuse (John 14:6; John 8:24).

Does Ezekiel 18:20-22 suggest God honors a works salvation?

Does Ezekiel 18:20-22 suggest God honors a works salvation? In other words, does Ezekiel suggest that a man or woman can be sufficiently good and obedient to the Law to be saved from death in Hell?

20 The person who sins will die. A son will not suffer the punishment for the father’s guilt, nor will a father suffer the punishment for the son’s guilt; the righteousness of the righteous will be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked will be upon himself.

21 “But if the wicked person turns from all his sins which he has committed and keeps all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall certainly live; he shall not die. 22 All his offenses which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live. Ezekiel 18:20-22 (NASB)

Christian response,

Do not be deceived into thinking that Ezekiel 18:20-22 suggests a man can inherit eternal life by good works or obedience. Even on our best day, our works done in the flesh is likened to a filthy menstrual cloth in the nose of God (Isaiah 64:6).

For all of us have become like one who is unclean, And all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; And all of us wither like a leaf, And our wrongdoings, like the wind, take us away.” Isaiah 64:6 (NASB)

First of all, note the “all” in v.21 of Ezekiel 18; herein lies a major problem; that is, the Law requires perfection in order for righteousness (a right standing) with God to be attained through it (James 2:10; Galatians 3:10; Deuteronomy 27:26) and mankind is sinful by nature (Romans 3:23; Isaiah 53:6-8) and we’ve all violated God’s Law; therefore, the Law only defines sin and condemns all of human kind void atonement (Romans 3:20); therefore, one’s attempt at obedience to a Law can never provide eternal life (Romans 8:3-4).

What about Ezekiel and good works?

Ezekiel was under Law and man’s good works done in “faith” out of regard for God and His dominion upon the Earth…that “faith” could provide a right standing with God (Hebrews 11) but this is NOT a “works salvation” as it was not the works that garnered God’s favor but the faith that preceded the works done for God that mitigated God’s wrath. It was not the blood sacrifices that saved, it was the faith of the one offering the sacrifices believing that God is true that mitigated God’s wrath (Hebrews 10-11).

Concerning sin and atonement?

Interesting, even “faith” in the Old Testament was NOT sufficient to forgive sin because without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness of sin (Genesis 3:21; Leviticus 17:11); And we know that the blood of animals could never provide atonement for sin (Hebrews 10). So then, those who died in the Old Testament having placed their faith in God could NOT enter the Kingdom of God because nothing impure is permitted to enter there (Revelation 21:27); King David understood this conundrum when he made the following statement…

For You will not abandon my soul to Sheol; You will not allow Your Holy One to undergo decay.” Psalm 16:10 (NASB)

David understood that he would NOT enter the Kingdom of God upon death of his body in Time because the Holy One, Yeshua, had not yet manifest and made atonement for sin; so then, every Old Testament saint that died in faith was relegated, detained, in Sheol (Abraham’s Bosom or Paradise) awaiting Messiah’s atonement (Luke 16). When Yeshua cried out “It is finished” (John 19:28-30), Yeshua announced the end of the Law’s curse upon mankind (Galatians 3:10) and the dawning of a New Covenant established in His blood, Yeshua’s sinless blood, that the Father accepts as the ONLY atonement for the sins of the whole world (Matthew 26:28; 1 John 2:2; 2 Corinthians 5:21). That atonement is only accessed by the one who “believes” that Jesus is Lord who died to pay their sin-debt (Romans 10:9-10).

Death of the body in the New Covenant,

Those who die in the New Covenant having believed in Jesus-Yeshua as their Lord, these redeemed are now ushered directly into the presence of God awaiting the coming resurrection of the justified (2 Corinthians 5:8). No longer do the saints of God await atonement in Sheol (Hades-Paradise) but atonement for sin has manifest through Jesus’ selfless love at Golgotha and Heaven’s Gates are open to the one who “believes” in Jesus as Lord (John 3:16).

It is faith in Jesus that results in our adjudication before the Father declaring us “NOT GUILTY.” No one is saved by their works, the Law, their obedience to a Law…it is ONLY by faith in Jesus as Lord that the Keys to the Kingdom are granted (Ephesians 2:8-9; John 3:16-18, Romans 10:9-10).

Are Trinitarians an antichrist?

Those absent the Holy Spirit refer to the Trinitarian as an “antichrist.” What has the Holy Spirit said about God revealing Himself as a Trinity within the Realm of Time? Are we to disbelieve what the Holy Spirit has said simply because our 3-pound brain lacks the ability to fully understand our omnipotent God?

The Trinity is extant from The Genesis to the Revelation for the one willing to believe God and what He has said. God reveals Himself as a Trinity first in Genesis 1:1 with the plural noun, singular verb, “Elohim.” The Holy Spirit is first introduced in Genesis 1:2. The Father, Son, Spirit, are seen working together to create the complex human genome in their spiritual image in Genesis 1:26-28 as “Our” and “Us.” The Son is first introduced in Genesis 3:15 as emanating in Time through the seed of the woman (virgin) and doing battle with the Devil (1 John 3:8b). The battle strategy used by God to destroy the works of the Devil is first pictured as the Gospel in Genesis 3:21 with the shedding of innocent blood to clothe mankind in a robe of righteousness (2 Corinthians 5:21) while rejecting the works of man to cover his own sin (fig leaves). In the first-three Chapters of the Canon…we see the Trinity at work but there are those who don’t see and won’t believe. Jesus often spoke of the Trinity, but you refuse to believe.

Who is the “true” antichrist?

“Who is the liar except the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.” 1 John 2:22 (NASB)